Episode 30: “The Loft of Lesbian ASMR” (w/ Jeff Nelson!)

''We’re joined by our very first returning guest this week! Scream Factory’s Jeff Nelson catches up with the crew to talk about the mystifying lesbian thriller/alternative to Ambien that is 1980’s WINDOWS. Producer Brennan leads the show this time because Mark has a very important announcement, Nay comes around on Jenny the cat, and Michael looks to boost his Lyft rating. Plus, in Tea Time we sip on WHEN A STRANGER CALLS BACK, ANGST, PROM NIGHT II, and US.''

Trivia
Mark's last episode as a regular host. Brennan's first episode as a regular host. Friend of the pod Jeff Nelson is the show's first returning guest

Topics brought up during the episode: Pose season two and its flash-forward, Our Lady Jay, Amy Sedaris, Andy Cohen, Final Girls

Tea Time
Nay: Angst (1983)

Michael: Ken Burns's The War; Hello Mary Lou: Prom Night II; When A Stranger Calls Back

Mark: HBO'S Barry season 2

Jeff: Us

Brennan:

Shady Summaries
Michael: Eureka! I've found the slowest movie ever made!

Mark: I have two. My first one is just a line, and the second one I had to communicate in song

Michael: Aw, one last song. One last… temp song. I dunno. He's coming back, so

Mark: The first one is: Windows. It's like if Carol was made by Joe Eszterhaus

Michael: Yikes

Mark: And the second one… (to the tune of "Come To My Window")

Come to my Windows

Crawl inside

Freeze my pet cat like a loon

Come to my Windows

Hope this movie ends soon

Michael: I don't have a second Shady Summary, but the whole time I was watching it I just kept thinking, of course I'm gonna bring up Seinfeld or one of the three shows I always bring up

Nay: Oh lord

Michael: And I kept thinking, I kept feeling like I was Elaine, who's played by Julia Louis-Dreyfus in the episode where she's forced to watch The English Patient. She's in the theater, fucking dying, just ripping her hair out. She's like screaming at the screen, "Will you just fucking die already!"

Mark: I hate that fucking movie

Michael: And people are like shushing and she's like, "Go to hell!" to everybody and that's how I felt like her, watching this movie, I was just rocking back and forth watching time go backwards

Nay: Ohhh

Mark: That movie was some bullshit

Nay: I'm basically like, "Dear lesbians: If you want to hold a knife to someone's throat and tell them what to do, you can easily find someone to do that with consensually. End."

Jeff: (laughing) Oh my God!

Mark: You know, it's true, Elizabeth Ashley, she didn't really, she didn't quite-- I was like, "You're living in New York." It's not like they live in Podunk

Nay: Right

Mark: I mean, she lives in fucking Manhattan

Michael: New York City, yeah

Mark: You can only imagine what…

Nay: Yeah. Put that hanky out and go. Get you somebody who wants what you want

Michael: Is there a color for knife to the throat? There should be

Brennan: I'm sure there is one

Nay: Maybe if she could do like, dom top flagging and then knife play

Jeff: Oh my God

Mark: But get your little Radio Shack recorder and find someone who's into rape play

Nay: Yeah. The end

Michael: Or make those noises yourself into a recorder and then listen to yourself tomorrow.

Nay: Do you think that would work?

Jeff: Wow

Nay: Do you think you could be arou-- that's, never mind

Michael: Do it while you're drunk

Nay: I was about to say, "Do you think your own sex noises could arouse you?"

Michael: Absolutely

Nay: And I was like, "Of course they can. Duh." As if my own sex tapes don't do it for me

Brennan: It's not like self-tickling

Nay: Yeah

Jeff: I didn't have a Shady Summary. I just, I want to, for eventually you know, I'm going to push this out on the Scream Factory fans and say, "If you wanna hear about Windows, you know, we put it out on Blu-ray and…"

Michael: Put this on as a DVD commentary, as an extra

Brennan: "A harrowing account of the lengths a gay in the Eighties will go to to impress literally any straight person." Because that's how I would describe Talia Shire in this movie. Any straight person with a Junie B. Jones haircut

Pride Float
Brennan: I have an easy question for you: Does this movie get a Pride float?

Michael: No

Jeff: No. No. No.

Michael: It's fuckin' doing community service with Sleepaway Camp

Jeff: Yeah

Michael: It's sentenced to life

Mark: Yeah, it is in queer reform school with Sleepaway Camp and…

Jeff: Yes

Brennan: Well, can we sample some of those breathy moans from the end in some sort of EDM track for Mommy Issues?

Michael: Into it

Nay: Sounds cute

Brennan: That's for Chingy's party

Mark: I'm sure the gay Chingy would--

Michael: Get Von Kiss to remix that bitch

Mark: Well, it would kind of be a riot to see some kind of supercut of scenes of Windows to an EDM song, with just the cat falling out

Nay: The thud, they specifically use the thud as part of the beat

Brennan: Ooooh

Michael: I wanna hear it to Sheena Easton (sings) "My baby takes the morning train…" The cat falls out during that

Mark: You know what? No one ever let us have a night at a club, ever. It will be...

Quotes
Mark: But we're going out with a bang for me

Michael: Are we?

Brennan: I'm gonna be stepping a little more into the limelight. Which is, honestly, I created all these work opportunities for Mark because I wanna be a star

Mark: I wish you actually would just sing "Let Me Be Your Star" now

Brennan: I think I know all the words, I think I can do it if you want

Mark: I bet you could

Brennan: I don't want to

Mark: Okay

Brennan: Anyway

Mark: End of show bonus

Mark: And maybe I'll leave sort of some drunk-dialed voicemail--

Michael: Cameos

Mark: Cameos. Where I'll be like, (drunkenly) "You guys…" (normal voice) I'm like weeping like Heather Donahue into a phone

Michael: (as drunken Mark) "Did you guys do this movie this week?"

Mark: (drunkenly) "I'm so sorry!"

Brennan: (as drunken Mark) "I'm so sorry!"

Brennan: This is Mark's temporary going away party. So we did let him choose the movie. And also, the guest that kind of automatically comes attached to this movie, whenever you mention its name--

Michael: He appears

Brennan: He is our very first returning guest on Attack of the Queerwolf!

Nay: Wow

Michael: Woo-hoo!

Brennan: Look, I've been looking for a reason to delete this app and I think I've finally found it

Mark: Oh my God

Brennan: It's Scream Factory's Jeff Nelson!

Jeff: I'm honestly honored. And the movie you chose tonight, I couldn't pass up the opportunity to discuss-slash-rag-slash…

Michael: All of it?

Jeff: Try to figure out what the hell, you know, why it was even made

Michael: Seriously, good question

Michael: Why is everyone looking at me?

Nay: I unno

Mark: I dunno

Brennan: You watch stuff

Mark: (feigned anger) Yeah Michael, what have you been watching?!

Michael: Everyone always, like Mark said, punts

Nay: I think it's where you're sitting at the table

Brennan: It's true, you are at the head of the table

Michael: It's not my usual seat?

Mark: You are sitting at the head of the table and it sort of

Michael: With my coconut Lacroix?

Nay: Yeah

Michael: That you all make fun of me for having?

Mark: Because you're a monster?

Nay: With your bottle of suntan oil that you're drinking?

Michael: Mmm-mmm!

Mark: (announcer voice) Coppertone! (normal voice) Glug glug glug glug

Nay: I meant to bring this up last week and I forgot, because I watched so many other movies, but awhile ago I had asked on Twitter, "Anyone have Shudder recommendations?" And Jordan Crucchiola was like, "Oh, you should watch Angst."

Michael: Oh, I saw that!

Mark: Oh my God, that movie's so fucked

Nay: Yes. Yes

Mark: Ugh, that is a movie

Nay: Yo. It was so good. So fucked up

Mark: Mmm-hmm

Nay: So fucked up

Michael: You're so happy

Nay: Yeah, and I highly recommend it. I loved it

Brennan: Is that the one from the Eighties or the newer one?

Nay: Oh, the Eighties

Brennan: Okay

Mark: It's Eighties and it's German, so it's pronounced "angst". That's the only way you can say it

Nay: Yeah

Michael: I love Shudder

Nay: Yes, me too

Michael: I like really love it

Nay: Yeah

Michael: I'm like super happy with Shudder

Nay: Yeah, and Jordan, thank you

Michael: Yes

Nay: (chortling) That was a great suggestion

Brennan: Another previous guest

Nay: Yes

Mark: Heart-eyes at Jordan, our ex. One of our sexes

Nay: One of our exes!

Michael: Hopefully we date her again soon

Nay: That was fantastic-- well, we probably will 'coz that's the way I date anyway. In rounds, in rounds and only people I've previously dated apparently. But, I also wanted to mention I've been talking to this person for awhile on the internet, but really dope queer Black woman filmmaker and she is making a horror short and production is starting again this summer. It's called Bitten: A Tragedy. I shared it on our Insta stories, I'll share it again when this episode comes out because they are raising money to start production again and I think a lot of us would love to see people that look like us, that act like us in horror, and so if that's something you're into, we'll link you to--

Michael: Who's the filmmaker?

Nay: Monica Estrella Negra, I think that's how her name is pronounced, but yeah. She's really cool and I would love for y'all to check out that project

Michael: Well I watched two things this week and I don't know really if anyone wants to talk about them, because one of them was Ken Burns's The War, which is like a nine-hour doc, no it's a sixteen-hour documentary on World War II, so…

Mark: Hmmm

Michael: Good times. And then the other thing I watched, I actually spent a weekend at home, visiting family, and I watched, because of Nay talking about it and loving it, I watched Hello Mary Lou: Prom Night II

Brennan: (delighted gasp) Yes!

Nay: Yesss!

Jeff: You can't go wrong with that

Mark: She's such an asshole, I love it. Not Nay, Mary Lou

Nay: (indistinct)

Michael: Okay, I hadn't seen it in the longest time, and I didn't remember any of it

Nay: Nice

Michael: Okay, there's an Eighties look, right?

Nay: Yes

Mark: Mmm-hmm

Michael: And it looks Eighties, but it also looks… I wanted to re-dress everybody. And it's not because their clothes were in the Eighties, everyone just looked like they just woke up

Nay: (laughing) You're a bitch!

Michael: (chuckling) And I don't know, I just love movies where like, the exterior of the house does not match the massive enormity of the inside of the house, and I was like, obsessed with that while watching the movie. And I thought the main guy was kinda cute, too

Brennan: Oh yeah

Michael: And I kept being like, "Who is he?" And "How do I know him?"

Mark: Ontario, Canada--

Michael: Is that what it is?

Mark: Late-eighties, mid-eighties filmmaker--

Jeff: Yeah, that's definitely it

Mark: Filmmaking at its finest

Michael: Was it supposed to be the same high school from the first movie, because they have the same name

Jeff: Yes

Brennan: They were supposed be

Jeff: Ehh, yeah

Michael: And the high school is like a giant…

Jeff: Yeah

Michael: It looks like a mental hospital from the exterior

Nay: Yeah

Jeff: It was such-- I remember thinking as a kid, "What a weird departure from the slasher standard of the first one."

Michael: Yeah. Well it was originally not made as a Prom Night

Jeff: Right. Exactly. And then they went very Freddy Krueger and Nightmare on Elm Street with making Mary Lou a clearly just done as a, you know, comedic--

Mark: A prom queen

Michael: Yeah

Jeff: "See ya later alligator, " all this kind of stuff. It was very, very campy

Nay: Yeah (laughingl

Michael: So dumb. It's so dumb

Jeff: But it is very funny. The hair is very high--

Nay: Mmm-hmm!

Jeff: On a lot of characters

Michael: Oh my God, the main girl…

Brennan: Vicki

Michael: Vicki?

Jeff: Yeah, Vicki Carpenter

Michael: I love that she has so much hair

Jeff: Yes!

Michael: A fuckton of hair. And then has like the tiniest little side-pony. I'm like, "Why the fuck did you even bother putting a rubber band?"

Nay: Right. The Aqua Net woulda helped, yeah. You don't need that rubber band

Michael: I dunno. It's so fun

Nay: Ick, I love it

Michael: But Jeff mentioned a movie that we were talking about pre-show that I wanted to bring up, it was When A Stranger Calls Back

Jeff: Oh yeah, we're putting that out today

Michael: I've seen it so many times and I love it!

Mark: Ooooh!

Michael: People, if you haven't seen it, you're missing out on a true gem

Jeff: It truly is a good movie--

Michael: It's not a great movie

Jeff: I'm not saying Hello Mary Lou isn't, it's just a campier, funnier comedic movie

Michael: Yes

Jeff: But When A Stranger Calls Back is one of those movies where like, here you are, it's an actually worthy sequel to the original

Michael: I prefer it to the original

Jeff: A lot of people told us--

Michael: Mmm-hmm

Jeff: We got requests for it quite a bit over the years and finally we were able to get into a studio and unlock it and put it out, and hope it sells well. Oh, we have interviews with Carol Kane, the director, Jill Schoelen

Michael: Oh, amazing!

Jeff: The transfer, which is a brand-new transfer for us looks like it was shot yesterday

Michael: The score on that movie is phenomenal

Jeff: It's creepy

Michael: Especially in the opening twenty minutes

Jeff: Oh yeah

Michael: That's one of the first movies I saw post-Scream (1996), and it rivaled-- that opening scene of When A Stranger Calls Back rivals the opening scene of Scream

Jeff: I actually think the opening scene in When A Stranger Calls Back is scarier than Scream on some levels

Brennan: Okay, let's not get ahead of ourselves

Jeff: I'm gonna be bold. I'm sorry...

Mark: Scorching hot takes! Piping hot!

Jeff: I don't care--

Mark: (announcer voice) "Tonight, on Attack of the Queerwolf!"

Jeff: I stand by that. I just think it's really well done--

Michael: It's really well done, and I think Kevin (Williamson) when writing (Scream) had to be influenced by it

Jeff: Yeah

Michael: Or at least the original

Jeff: Totally

Michael: Yeah

Jeff: Good film

Michael: Great film

Jeff: Hope it sells

Mark: I'm really excited because HBO's Barry is back on and it's so good

Michael: I haven't started it yet, but it's a good show

Mark: I love it so. And I'm not gonna spoil any of it. So everybody start over the first season, because it's pretty terrific and Bill Hader is lovely and brilliant--

Michael: I love Bill Hader

Mark: And has anyone been watching anything more recent in theaters?

Jeff: Mmm-hmm

Brennan: Yeah

Jeff: Is this my time?

Brennan: Yeah, sure!

Jeff: I'm gonna get it!

Brennan: Okay!

Jeff: I saw Us a couple weeks ago

Brennan: Mmm-hmm

Jeff: I was… five out of ten on this one

Brennan: Okay

Jeff: That's gonna have some people screaming, "What are you talking about?" And other people saying, "Yeah, I getcha." I went in only seeing the trailer once, months ago. And I loved Get Out, own Get Out, I saw it several times. I thought Get Out was a really well done film. I think, that for me, Us was well-acted, I thought it was well-shot. I also appreciate Jordan Peele being on the scene and doing something fresh and new. Without having spoilers, though, bonkers plot that um, if you're gonna go that bonkers, you gotta maybe tie up some loose ends. I realize in talking to people some of those loose ends are done on purpose to engage thought and there's layers of all sorts of things going on here, but I wasn't as scared as I was in Get Out, and I found myself just going, "But why didn't they…? But if she had done…" it was just, at the end of the movie I was like, "Okay." And so I went on my Facebook page and said, "Preposter-Us."

Brennan: Ah! Ah!

Jeff: And of course that turned into, "How could you?" "I agree." Whatever. Did you guys see it?

Michael: It's supposed to be pretty explanatory

Mark: Because calm and reasoned debate can only happen on social media

Jeff: So, I'm curious, where do you guys land?

Michael: I had a lot of fun. I mean, I had a blast watching it

Jeff: Yeah. I wanted to, I wanted to

Michael: Get Out will be-- it's hard to compare, it's not anywhere near the same type of movie as Get Out so it's hard to compare it

Jeff: Yeah

Michael: But I think… it's a Jordan Peele slasher movie, and it's very Jordan Peele and you're watching a Jordan Peele movie and you know you're watching a Jordan Peele movie and it looks like a Jordan, you know what I mean? Two movies in, he already has a look, POV, all that great stuff

Jeff: Mmm-hmm

Michael: I left going, "That was a lot of fun."

Jeff: Interesting

Michael: Yeah

Jeff: Yeah. Did you guys feel the same? This is where--

Michael: I thought there was problems but I didn't care

Jeff: Again, and what I tried to do is saying, "Get Out was this movie, this is another movie."

Michael: Mmm-hmm!

Jeff: What actually went through my mind is, "I wonder if Us will play for me better down the road." Usually when a horror hit comes out, like there is Halloween (1978) and John Carpenter and The Fog (1980) and The Fog didn't really find its audience until later.

Michael: The Thing (1984)

Jeff: Even Hitchcock's Psycho was followed by The Birds, which was not as shocking and as scary as Psycho. Even Carrie (1976) with (Brian) De Palma  was followed by The Fury. A different movie, a different--

Mark: Oh my God. The Fury, though, is so hilarious

Jeff: I do love The Fury

Mark: The Fury is like the CW version of--

Jeff: I love the tone and its own merits

Mark: But in the best way, oh my God

Jeff: I didn't hate (Us) and if anyone would say that it was a bad movie, I would dismiss them outright because it is not a bad movie. Again, great performances, great look, great mood, and I think that the opening half worked better for me than say, the last half. So again--

Michael: I like any movie where Elizabeth Moss is just fucking derangedly staring into a mirror

Mark: Yeah, okay, her "Baby pretty now" moment in that movie?

Michael: So great

Nay: Oooooh

Mark: Hilarious

Michael: Love her

Jeff: Yeah, she surprised me that she was in the movie. And that being said, I totally look forward to what Jordan Peele brings next

Michael: Absolutely

Jeff: Because what I did appreciate is that this wasn't standard like, generic kind of, this was like, it made you think. And believe me, I talked about it all last week at work with everybody who had all the same different opinions. I like those kind of movies

Michael: Sure

Jeff: Yeah

Mark: I think it's so evident, the intellect and talent and soul that Jordan Peele brings to the work that he does, whether it's straight-up comedy or horror. And the thing is, with Us, the metaphor that it's sold Us on in the trailer? Like doppelgangers who are here to fucking replace you and kill you--

Jeff: Yes

Mark: Is already so powerful, especially today, you know there's something so visceral and upsetting about it, and I think it's literally with just Us, if it's not entirely your cup of tea or you're bothered by some of the plot stuff. I think it's the fact that there's a lot of great ideas, and I think that maybe having shed just a couple at the back end, maybe might have helped?

Jeff: Yeah

Mark: But, yeah. It's still a good time

Jeff: For me, I wanted it ultimately to be, when I am going to see a horror thriller film, I want to be scared

Mark: Yeah

Jeff: I want to be scared. I just wasn't scared like I was in Get Out. I also felt like Get Out was a more sinister movie--

Mark: Yes

Nay: Mmmm, mmmm-hmmm

Mark: It's much more self-consciously dark

Jeff: It's much more, oooh, the white guy who voted for Obama, who actively said it is the villain here and this is what's happening and they took an Invasion of the Body Snatchers Stepford Wives plot and warped it, and Us does that too, 'cause there's been lots of doppelganger movies and stuff like that, and that is inherently scary. It might be one of those films I catch on cable down the road and reassess it a little bit

Michael: Yeah, 'coz I feel like he was just trying to make like a pop-y horror movie

Mark: It's a much more Amblin (indistinct)

Brennan: Yeah

Michael: And fun

Brennan: It's much less thematically concise

Mark: Yes

Brennan: I would say Us is him making great strides as a visual director

Michael: It's a gorgeous movie

Jeff: Mmm-hmm, it really was

Brennan: Yeah, because Get Out is a really tight screenplay with great casting, but I wasn't bowled over by the look of Get Out, but the look of Us is spectacular

Jeff:. Yes

Mark: Stunning

Michael: I mean that, I don't wanna spoil anything, but the scene with Elizabeth Moss's family, I'm sure you know, it's the exterior shot of what's going on inside, it's like fucking amazing, like "Fuck"

Jeff: Actually, a subtle scene that stays with me is the opening scene where they're on the beach and there's just lightning in the background

Brennan: Yes!

Jeff: Something as simple as that to me was like, "This is well--"

Michael: I love the little shout-out to The Lost Boys in the opening scene, too

Jeff: Yeah

Michael: What'd she say, like, "Oh, they filmed a movie here this summer?"

Nay: Yeah

Jeff: Yeah, yeah

Michael: So great

Mark: Is there any other current horror films that you--

Michael: I'm seeing a current horror film this weekend if that's what you're getting at. I'm seeing Pet Sematary (2019) on Sunday. Haven't seen it yet

Jeff: Ohhh

Mark: Okay

Michael: Yep

Mark: Curious to know what you think

Michael: Have you seen it?

Mark: Mmmm

Michael: Mark loved it

Mark: Mmm, just you know, spoil--

Michael: I'm seeing it Sunday

Mark: Well, you know, I don't wanna talk about a movie that you know, I don't wanna be spoiling it

Michael: Ohh

Jeff: I will say that I am totally amped to see Ma

Michael: Oh!

Jeff: That trailer I have watched five times

Nay: What is Ma?

Jeff: With Octavia Spencer?

Michael and Jeff: You haven't seen the trailer for it?

Nay: I don't watch trailers

Michael: Girl. Octavia Spencer's having the fucking time of her life in this movie

Jeff: Just watch the trailer once, because when I saw that I was like, "Oh."

Brennan: Watch a minute of the trailer

Nay: Okay

Jeff: How can you not love Octavia anyways, but I just love the fact that she is in a role that she is not playing comedic side character. She is a meaty--

Mark: She's playing Freddy Krueger

Jeff: Yeah, she, it's a batshit role

Michael: That trailer came on before Us when I saw Us. I was literally screaming watching it. I was like, "That looks like so much fun! She's loving every second she got to make this movie!"

Jeff: Yeah, it showed up, it premiered a month ago online and literally five times I brought people over--

Michael: The trailer's amazing

Jeff: I was like, "You've gotta see this trailer, this trailer is really good." And it's either gonna go one way or another and I'm gonna have fun with it

Michael: Yes

Jeff: That was, I was yeah. Looking forward to that

Michael: So fun

Nay: (sighs)

Michael: You should watch the trailer, Nay. 'Cause you're gonna be like, "I need to see this. I can't wait."

Jeff: Yeah

Nay: I'll watch it after the movie, yeah

Jeff: (to Brennan) Did you see anything?

Brennan: I actually have a special segment that I would like to launch into, if I could get my jingle

Michael and Mark: (singing the rhythm from "My Sharona")

Mark and Michael (whispers) La Llorona

Michael: Corner

Brennan: Yes, I've been watching every movie featuring the Mexican folk legend La Llorona in anticipation of her new feature

Mark: It's her big comeback

Jeff: Yeah!

Mark: Her grand return to the silver screen!

Michael: Modern-day reboot

Brennan: Yes! So, I watched The Wailer 3

Michael: Jesus Christ

Brennan: It's from 2012, five years after The Wailer 2, which I'm sure you all remember

Mark: Oh, like yesterday

Brennan: Yeah yeah yeah. Okay, so time to go full Stefan

Michael: I didn't know there was a Wailer 1

Brennan: This movie has everything. Absolutely no continuity with the first two films, La Llorona lives in a swimming pool, there's a magical turtle…

Michael: Mark, you nailed it on the head. He's Stefan about his (laughing) La Llorona movies

Mark: Yeah

Michael: I love it

Brennan: It's atrocious. Deeply, deeply bad. It's actors who do not have um, practice. Trying to be diplomatic

Michael: I was gonna say, you were trying to be really nice there, yeah

Mark: They're like hostages more than anything

Brennan: Yeah. To be fair, the dialogue is Impossible. Here is a line I wrote down word for word

Michael: (sotto voce) Oh yes

Brennan: "Regardless of time, I can see that everything remains exactly the same."

Michael: Okay

Mark: I dunno, it rolls off your tongue. I mean….

Brennan: It's very florid, it's very Julie Andrews, and these actors are not Julie Andrews. I actually, I shared a clip of it on Twitter, which again, I assume you all saw. But I think I'll just share a little bit of it really quickly

Michael: I'll just spit my coconut Lacroix

Mark: Please do

Brennan: Basically this movie climaxes about thirty minutes in, and then--

Michael: How long is the movie?

Brennan: An hour and a half

Michael: Mmm-kay

Brennan: The last hour--

Mark: "It's forty-five minutes."

Michael: That's like Windows, the climax starts at minute twenty

Brennan: La Llorona puts our hero in a wheelchair for the last hour, and the last hour is him kind of dealing with his in-home nurse and kind of just crying in a bathtub and screaming at her and then--

Michael: Did you watch The Act by mistake?

Brennan: I don't know

Michael: Okay

Brennan: But here's a little bit of his interaction with the nurse.

Nurse: (flatlyl I'm sorry. What's the matter? Are you okay?

Michael: Oh my God

Hero: (flatly) I'm doing better

Nurse: (flatly) It's a miracle!

Michael: What is she reading off of?

Brennan: I have no idea, but it's not the script!

Michael: Yeah

Brennan: Anyway…

Mark: She sounds like a GPS

Nay: Yeah

Mark: (as a female-voiced GPS) "Turn left over here!"

Michael: (as a female-voiced GPS) "Oh my God!"

Brennan: It's just, it's very Troll 2

Mark: Wow

Jeff: That's great

Michael: Troll 2 's fun

Mark: That's, that's quite a verdict

Brennan: Ehhhh

Michael: Where are you viewing these? Did you pay for this one?

Brennan: (stage whisper) I'd rather not say

Michael: YouTube?

Brennan: This one is available on YouTube, I believe, with Turkish subtitles, so that's fun. Anyway, everyone in the movie hates each other

Michael: Yay, it's like Sorority Row

Brennan: Yeah, but, oh man. One compliment I will give to the movie is its verisimilitude, because the guy's wife in one of the earlier scenes, she's going to bed, she takes off her nightgown and her bra and panties don't match. And I'm like, in movies they usually make a big deal out of making everything "sexy and magical", and I was like, you know what? "You go girl."

Nay: Keepin' it real?

Brennan: Exactly

Nay: Sleeping in a bra is not that realistic, but--

Brennan: Well, she took it off eventually

Nay: Oh,okay

Brennan: But we didn't see that. She was like, going to the bathroom or something. Like the context is vital. (sarcaatically) There's so much happening in The Wailer 3. Anyway, yeah, this is gonna be one of the last ones before the new one

Michael: New one comes out next weekend, right?

Brennan: Yeah, it does! I'm gonna see it opening night

Michael: And you're gonna talk about that on...

Brennan: Whenever it happens--

Michael: Probably two weeks from today

Brennan: Probably two weeks from tonight, yeah

Jeff: I will say, that before Us there were so many horror trailers, it made me feel really happy

Michael: Yeah, there was a lot, yeah

Jeff: There was Ma, there was the La Llorona one, there was one called Brightburn which looked like a weird bend on Superman's story

Michael: Oh, right

Jeff: There was…

Michael: My favorite trailer before the movie was Booksmart. That looks so funny

Brennan: Oh, yes!

Jeff: Is that a horror one?

Michael: No, it's Olivia Wilde's movie, it's a coming-of-age comedy

Brennan: They're like high school girls

Jeff: There was Annabelle Returns, which looked--

Mark: No, Annabelle Comes Home

Jeff: Annabelle Comes Home, that looked fun

Mark: Annabelle Comes Home. That's the name

Michael: And they're eventually gonna make one that's Annabelle Gets Her Groove Back

Mark: The last scene of the Annabelle trailer is Annabelle literally up in some poor girl's crotch under the bed and she literally is smiling at her like, (gruff voice) "Hey, bitch!"

Michael: Yeah

Mark: I was like, she comes home, but she's sliding into home, okay?

Jeff: Ohhhhh

Michael: It's crazy to me, because that whole Conjuring universe, every trailer, every movie looks acts the same

Jeff: Yes

Mark: Yeah

Michael: But somehow to me the La Llorona movie to me looks so boring, and the Annabelle Comes Home movie looks like just batshit fun

Mark: ''Hilarious. It just looks hilarious''

Michael: And also Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga are showing up in this Annabelle movie so I'm already there

Jeff: And well Pet Sematary 's trailer showed up and I was kind of like, "This is like a bonkers time for horror."

Michael: Yeah

Jeff: I mean there's also Child's Play, the remake coming out, there's also, there's just--

Mark: We don't discuss-- it's non Don Mancini

Nay: Right

Michael:You know horror is having a moment when they're making every single kind of horror movie.

Nay: Yeah

Jeff: Yes

Michael: They're not just making haunted house films and they're not just making slasher movies. They're making everything they can get their fucking hands on

Jeff: Even this week, American Horror Story just announced…

Michael: 1984!

Jeff: 1984, slasher. I was like, "Whoa!"

Michael: I will be watching American Horror Story for the first time in seven seasons

Jeff: Wow

Mark: We'll see

Brennan: We will

Michael: I'm gonna check it out just 'cause it's a slasher

Nay: I'm definitely watching

Jeff: I loved last season, they did basically Coven Part Two

Nay: Cult

Jeff: They got back their glory groove and I can't wait to see what they do for 1984

Michael: I just hope they give Emma Roberts a knife

Mark: Sarah Paulson as Jason, is that it?

Nay: Yo.

Mark: Is that what it's gonna be?

Michael: As Mrs. Voorhees

Mark: As Mrs. Voorhees? I dunno. We'll see

Nay: Yes. Oh, I can't wait. You know I watch every season

Mark: (conceding) All right, all right

Michael: I'll start it to see if it's truly a slasher

Jeff: They were smart. It's like, Stranger Things is a hit set in the Eighties, it makes perfect sense and somebody at work--

Michael: Ryan Murphy's last stab at slashers was Scream Queens

Jeff: I didn't care for Scream Queens. I will give you that, because it's a little too comedic? A little bit too much?

Michael: Yeah, it was too hokey

Jeff: A little bit too over the top? Which normally I don't mind things being extra, but this was like, "Okay, you're being really extra here!" But this one, I dunno

Michael: Yeah

Jeff: I'm looking forward to it. Anyways, lotta good horror stuff coming up this year

Nay: Hell yeah

Brennan: I think Ryan Murphy does over the top seriousness very well, but the over the top comedy is very broad

Jeff: I agree

Nay: We should see if Our Lady Jay would come on the show

Mark: (sighs)

Brennan: Uh, yeah

Michael: I just shit my pants, like, at the thought of that

Nay: Yeah. Amazing

Mark: (chuckling) I'm sure she'd be super flattered

Michael: But in the best way

Nay: Right

Michael: The best shit way possible

Nay: God, we would need a piano if she came on the show 'cause I'd be like, "Can you play something?"

Michael: Yeah. Okay. Anyway, we're here to talk about some movie

(Brennan plays the trailer for Windows)

Michael: This literally should've been the length of the movie. Same story is being told

Jeff: By the way, first movie, officially of 1980

Michael: Yeah, January eighteenth

Jeff: First film of the 1980s

Brennan: Came out with a roaring start

Jeff: (laughing) With Windows!

Mark: Dumped out, pooped out in January, always a great sign

Jeff: Wow. Just the fact that the decade is started on this movie is…

Mark: Telling

Jeff: Yeah

Brennan: I think Shady Summaries were invented specifically so you could discuss Windows 1980

Mark: Yep

Jeff: I wanted to give a little context for the movie. First of all, personally everything that y'all said I totally agree. My biggest problem with the film is "Why is Elizabeth Ashley and a cop so obsessed with Talia Shire being so dumpy and frumpy in this." She's a beautiful woman, but they've made her out to be this (as Talia Shire in Windows) "Oh, so meek. I've got a cat. Oh."

Michael: She's just playing Adrian

Jeff: Yes, she's just playing--

Mark: She reminded me of the little boy in Stranger Things a little bit

Michael: Oh my God, I fucking love it

Mark: Where you have like the pageboy haircut, the bowl haircut

Nay: Uh-huh, the bowl cut

Mark: Yeah

Jeff: It's not like she exudes any like real, y'know--

Michael: (laughing) The fuck?

Brennan: Yeah

Jeff: It's just kind of a, what to have a character be fixated on sexually. It just doesn't make any sense

Nay: Yeah

Mark: Listen. When you can pull off that many shades of brown, okay?

Brennan: Fifty Shades of Brown

Mark: (amused) Fifty Shades… of Brown

Jeff: So you guys probably know this a little bit, but you know this movie came out literally a month before--

Michael: Cruising

Jeff: William Friedkin's Cruising came out

Michael: Mmm-hmm

Jeff: These both came out through United Artists and they were both met with a lot of controversy. They were lumped in at the same time, because it looked like, "Here's murderous lesbian, here's murderous gay leather," you know, "How dare you Hollywood?" And they were both kind of put in there. Cruising, of course, because it was Friedkin had all the notoriety and the legs and is still being celebrated right now, whereas Windows came and went very quickly

Michael: I was gonna say, I was reading an article about that, like specifically the controversy between the two movies being so close to each other in 1980

Jeff: Mmm-hmm

Michael: And I actually read a piece of an article where there started to be controversy when it came to Windows, and then the critics started weighing in and they realized it was gonna last in theaters for about two weeks so they just decided, "We don't even need to protest against this, it's gonna go away." So then they shifted their focus to Cruising coming up

Jeff: Yes. And it's funny because when they were, there were some buttons or some flyers that went out that said like, "Crush Cruising. Smash Windows."

Nay: (gasps)

Jeff: You know, there was...

Brennan: I want that button

Mark: I know

Jeff: I know. I've seen--

Mark: WANT

Jeff: I actually have a pin that says, "Stop the movie Cruising" and it has "cruising" all in blood

Brennan: (softly) Oh my God!

Jeff: I actually have a legit pin that I got on Ebay. I was like, "I have to have this." But so Cruising, sorry--

Michael: (indistinct) have so much time on their hands

Jeff: Windows just kind of went away, never had a legit VHS release, laser disc, anything, it just didn't happen

Michael: It was in theaters for less than a week, right?

Jeff: Right, it just came and went. And then it had notoriety of like, "(indistinct) never go." And then the movie The Celluloid Closet, that came out in the mid-Nineties, that showed all these movies. They had a snippet of that film and Cruising and The Fan (198X) as examples of--

Mark: Bad gays

Jeff: Bad bad bad gays in theaters. So it became a little bit more like, "Well, what happened with this movie?" MGM put out a movie-on-demand disc years ago, that was respectable. I mean, it finally came out, I got to see it and I was like, "Oh, whatever." It is a beautiful-looking movie because the guy who directed it was the cinematographer of Francis Ford Coppola, so--

Mark: The opening shot

Brennan: Oh, it's gorgeous. The most beautiful tunnel

Nay: Yes

Jeff: It is New York City

Mark: So many great, gorgeous gorgeous shots in this movie

Michael: That's the thing that struck me while watching it was like, I'm so used to seeing studio films today set in New York City where it's clearly a backlot--

Jeff: Yeah

Michael: Or they shoot it on one street in New York and then they do the rest in L.A. and stuff, and it was so jarring to watch an entire movie and know it was clearly shot in New York. And like these big, beautiful shots with the actors in it and just the entire city's behind them and it's just--

Nay: Mmm-hmm

Jeff: Yeah

Michael: It was gorgeous

Nay: Yeah, that was stunning

Jeff: It was interesting that, like--

Michael: Such a different time

Jeff: And I don't know why that is, but Cruising, Windows, Dressed to Kill, and The Fan (1980)…

Brennan: The Holy Trin-- the Unholy Trinity

Jeff: Are all in New York City for some reason. This, you know, all movies that have some interesting controversy and movies that, I don't know if you--

Michael: (chortling) I love The Fan (1980)

Jeff: I know. But so, again, beautiful looking movie. You had established, Talia Shire was coming off of Rocky--

Michael: Rocky II, yeah

Jeff: She was also coming off of Prophecy (197X), that's not a great movie, but do you remember that one?

Michael: And Old Boyfriends

Jeff: Oh, yes. Okay. And so it went away and it was on this movie-on-demand. We at Scream Factory-Shout Factory had a deal with MGM where we get a lot of films, we get to do them in buckets. That's where we got Carrie (1975) and The Fog (1980) and a whole bunch of other, you know, legit good movies. But Windows came up into play and I said, "You know what? Let's give this a shot. Let me put this on a Blu-ray. Let me go out, like, we'll figure out what happened. Why did this movie get made? What was the backstory on it?" So, we went, we got Talia Shire, we got Elizabeth Ashley, we got the producer of the film, and kind of spoke through all the backstory

Mark: (laughing) I'm sure they were all thrilled to see each other

Jeff: Well, they were all perplexed at that

Michael: To talk about that nightmare?

Jeff: They were all like, "You wanna talk about this movie?" And we did, and it's fine. This didn't quite sell, or register. It is a niche, a super-niche movie. There are fans of it who, I'll say I'm a fan of the film because I watch it with such a puzzled like, (exhales) "Huhhhh."

Michael: The tagline on the fuckin' Blu-ray is, "Somebody loves Emily… too much." So amazing

Nay: It looks so good

Jeff: But that was the poster tagline

Brennan: "Someone's love of Emily has gone too far."

Michael: Yeah

Jeff: In a weird way, I came on here last year for Single White Female. This shares some very interesting themes with Single White Female of New York City…

Mark: Yep

Jeff: Also based. Lesbian stuff going on...

Mark: Yep

Nay: Mmm-hmm

Jeff: This one a little more overt. Let's be honest, of course it's majorly offensive that you would have a lesbian saying, "You know what? I'm on to this girl. I'm gonna hire a guy to sexually assault her." Like the opening scene is horrific. It's a pretty mess

Michael: The movie lost me there

Mark: I wanna know how that conversation in the cab went and how that--

Jeff: Oh my God

Mark: She's like, "Eighty-sixth and Lex. And by the way…"

Michael: "I've got an idea…"

Mark: "I dunno if you do like, side gigs," but it's like…

Michael: (fey voice) "Stuff for lezzies? Do you rape for lezzies?"

Jeff: (laughing) Oh my God, that's awful

Mark: Yeah, how do you? How, how…?

Nay: Oh my God. Someone's answer is, "Yes," so

Michael: His was

Nay: Yeah

Mark: I dunno

Michael: What, Mark?

Mark: No, no, I'm nervous about asking my Lyft driver to turn down the radio…

Nay: Yoooooo

Mark: I wouldn't even know where to begin to have this conversation, Jesus

Jeff: Oh my God, that's too funny

Nay: I'm scared to ask Lyft drivers for anything, or to rebuke them in any way, because it's like your life is in their hands

Mark: Yeah. Right!

Nay: Or when they're hitting on you…

Michael: Always get the--

Brennan: (sighs)

Nay: Oh my God, do I? I don't want you just drive back to your house. I don't wanna flirt too fast or be rude or turn you down. I don't want you to get angry at me

Michael: I always give five stars

Nay: You said you always give five stars?

Michael: 'Cause they know. I feel like, I'm worried that they can tell when a rating was given to them

Nay: Ohhhhh. You can't

Michael: (nervous laughter) "Five stars!"

Brennan: As someone who does not have a lot of money, I used to drive for Lyft

Michael: Oh, you did?

Brennan: And you do not know who gives you what rating

Nay: Same. I did, too. Yeah, you don't

Michael: 'Coz a driver once told me he could always tell whose tips were from who

Nay: He's lyin'. You can kinda tell whose tips are from who.

Brennan: Tips are different.

Michael: Okay

Nay: But you can't tell who rated you, and I--

Brennan: Yeah, and as far as I know they don't tell you what your rating is--

Michael: A driver once told me--

Brennan: They just tell you when it gets low

Nay: Yeah

Michael: A driver was talking about passenger ratings and I was like, "What's mine?" He was like, "Yours is a four-point-six." Who the fuck gave me less than a five? I literally just sit in the back seat and try not to speak--

Jeff: Wow

Michael: And if they engage, I'll engage back, but I hate nothing more than a talky Lyft driver

Jeff: Four-point-six, wow

Michael: Yeah, someone gave me less than a five, right?

Nay: Damn. Fuck them

Brennan: R.I.P. that person

Mark: Talia Shire plays someone who named her cat "Jenny" if that tells you anything

Michael: (laughing) I know!

Mark: Like, right off the bat I'm just like, "Jenny the cat." Okay…

Nay: (southern accent) "The cat…"

Mark: So that's what we're working with. All right

Michael: (chuckling) Jenny the cat

Jeff: What surprises me about this movie is that unlike Cruising, Dressed to Kill, The Fan (1980), there's nothing really like, overtly violent. There's one scene with a freeze-dried, sorry spoilers, cat, that makes you laugh, but aside from that…

Mark: Her name is Jenny

Jeff: Right. (laughing) Jenny the freeze-dried cat. That scene makes me laugh

Michael: The deaths are all off-screen, right?

Jeff: The deaths are off-screen--

Michael: Though that opener…

Jeff: The intensity of that ending is super laughable with Elizabeth Ashley just kind of overacting a bit

Brennan: Oh, in her loft of lesbian ASMR?

Jeff: Yes! I mean, there's just nothing, there's nothing really like shocking like those other films. There's even not a lot of sex, there's not a lot of violence

Mark: The movie's one strength, which is its meditative, incredibly composed cinematography--

Jeff: Yes

Mark: And kind of strange languid pace?

Jeff: Yes

Mark: Which ordinarily would be a plus for another movie, is deadly to the movie's overall kind of health as a thriller

Michael: Oh yeah

Mark: Because it's a thriller with no turns. It literally twenty minutes into the movie is like--

Michael: "Here's our villain."

Jeff: Yes. Yes.

Mark: "Hey, you know that lesbian that lives upstairs from her? Turns out she's the bad guy! Anyway, we're gonna pop out for some smokes. You guys keep watching this (indistinct)," it's like...

Jeff: Yes. Yeah. I feel like--

Michael: Who was that for?

Mark: Yeah

Jeff: When we interviewed, you know-- listen, the intention of course, and they still believe that they were putting out a thriller in like the vein of like Hitchcock or something like that. They had a different ending of the character, the Elizabeth Ashley character was supposed to be transsexual

Brennan: Dodged a bullet on that one, honestly

Jeff: Would have been a shocking, would have been a more twisty kind of thing to throw if you were already going to show her as the villain earlier in the film. But they, I think took the material too seriously and it's just that's why it's kind of forgotten. It's not campy enough to be Single White Female or Dressed to Kill or The Fan (1980) or anything like that. And it's also, I dunno. I'm fascinated by it, to be quite honest

Michael: Well, there's two stories going on. There's crazy psycho lesbian and then there's gaslighting detective who's using this woman's plight to get in her pants. (chuckling) That's the hugest thing, yeah

Jeff: Yeah. That's, that is an awkward thing, too

Michael: And I know at the time they were probably like, "Isn't he a stand-up detective helping this young woman out?"

Jeff: And also--

Brennan: While watching movies in her apartment with her

Jeff: And that super-small TV. Which I noticed. I was like, "What?"

Brennan: (chuckling) Yeah

Jeff: But I also noticed that they made him, he clearly looked like (Sylvester) Stallone. There was another like--

Michael: Oh my God, that's so funny

Mark: I was about to call him "Budget Stallone"

Jeff: Yeah, totally. Totally

Michael: "Discount Stallone"?

Mark: But that's mean, I don't (indistinct)

Jeff: That being said, when we put it out, we had fans. We had people who were actually appreciative of it. And for LGBT film historic context, I'm glad that it's out there as a--

Mark: What not to do!

Jeff: Something to watch, or just something to be like, "Yeah, this was probably a wrong idea, you know?" And the controversy wasn't warranted, it just so happened to, it came out right before Cruising. Cruising was already getting all the controversy already as it was filmed in the Seventies and whatever, and this one just kind of snuck in and got a part of it and then went away. And leave it to, honestly, me, to resurrect it, so I am the one to blame

Mark: To be that bitch

Jeff: Right. I am the one to blame for your painful watches of this

Mark: No

Brennan: It's definitely a curio

Michael and Mark: Yeah

Brennan: I mean, I've never seen a movie that was composed entirely of deleted scenes before

Nay: Mmmkay

Jeff: Also, Ennio Morricone did the score!

Michael: Yeah! I mean, there's a lot of talent here!

Jeff: You have some, like this wasn't like Friday the 13th Part Five, you know, or something that was just slapped together

Michael: Wish it was

Jeff: Well, I agree that Friday the 13th Part Five is better

Michael: Well, there's an interesting thing about the movie that they had such an opportunity to actually tell like a really fascinating story with like an isolated, lonely woman--

Jeff: Mmm-hmm

Michael: In such a massive city, with people around every corner. And they kind of set that up, because a lot of the shots have nobody in them

Brennan: Yep

Michael: And they isolate her, and she's like lonely and haunted, but then nothing happens with it

Mark: Well, there's… the movie never has any empathy for anyone--

Michael: Right

Jeff: Yeah

Mark: Everyone always seems to be like, in the crosshairs-- like I was complaining last week about Sorority Row (2009). This movie makes Sorority Row look like Little Women, okay? It is like, cold, and-- Sorority Row, I remember being like, "These are all monsters and whatever."

Nay: They're eighteen

Michael: They are!

Jeff: They really are

Mark: But they are a supportive and loving sisterhood in comparison to the relationships in Windows

Michael: Yeah, it's just weird. Like it sets up these things about alienation and isolation and identity and stuff and there's just no payoff

Jeff: Even the neighbors next door are kind of cool and aloof

Brennan: They seem to hate her

Mark: Yeah, they were like, (gruff voice) "Who is this shady…?"

Michael: They're like, "Use our phone," but as soon as she (indistinct) they're like, "She's such a fucking cunt."

Mark: Yeah, they're like, "There's this shady librarian at the door who wants to use our telephone."

Jeff: I laugh the old man's like, "There's a payphone downstairs

Nay: Right!

Jeff: Like, wow!

Mark: Rude!

Nay: Lit her up!

Mark: Rude!

Michael: The best passive-aggressive thing I've ever seen

Mark: And while she's on the phone, they like, eyeball her like she's gonna steal all their ribbon candy or some shit. It's unreal

Jeff: The other thing I didn't understand is like, okay, so they made the character a stutterer. Why? I don't understand. There wasn't like a payoff at the end where she started screaming non-stuttering at Elizabeth Ashley. I didn't understand what that was for

Michael: I feel ya

Brennan: I think what they were trying to do, and this is not something that I agree with, I think this is in their Eighties sensibility minds they were thinking it made her vulnerable in some way?

Jeff: Probably. That would make some sense. But it was… you didn't have to have it. Talia Shire's Adrian in Rocky was already a vulnerable-looking character

Brennan: Well, she has to have a facet to her character

Jeff: Yeah

Michael: But I also love a character that has been violated and assaulted by violence but then doesn't get curtains

Mark: So, yeah. Her character getting curtains is like a plot point. Like that's the kind of movie Windows is, is like, I literally went, "Oh shit, she bought curtains!" Like, "Elizabeth is gonna be so mad!"

Michael: Putting her hands on the glass when she moves into the new apartment. I'm like, "Is this gonna be the rest of the movie?" It lasts so long, and I was like, kept waiting for the window to fall on her or for her to fall out the window

Mark: But that's the thing though. I love those slow dissolves

Michael: I mean it's beautiful!

Mark: In another movie, I would be like, "I am in love with this."

Michael: Yes! "Give me…"

Mark: "It's so beautiful."

Jeff: And then that telescope stuff is very--

Mark: Gorgeous!

Jeff: Again, Hitchcockian

Michael: It's a gorgeous movie

Jeff: You know, when we interviewed (Talia Shire) and the producer, man, I gotta tell you, she couldn't have been any sweeter. I was surprised that she came to the table for something like this

Michael: Good for her!

Jeff: And she…

Mark: Did you trick her?

Jeff: No! We didn't trick her. I was legitimately, genuinely-- you know, her and the producer were asking sort of, you know, why I was doing this, and I told them--

Michael: "Are you tricking us?"

Jeff: I mean, I wanted to give the movie at least a little bit of a chance. Also, look, we're a business so we wanted some sales. And it also never had a legit release, so it was like well, maybe there's something there. I know the numbers now and uh--

(Everyone else laughs)

Jeff: Mmm, yeah. I… mmmm

Brennan: But no, you did the general art of cinema a favor by giving a shot to this movie

Nay: Mmm-hmm

Jeff: That's good spin, I like that

Brennan: Yeah

Jeff: But you know what? On some levels, yes. We preserved, I guess, I dunno… I've tried to rationalize it in my head and I've seen the numbers and it's like, "Yeah. Well, but we tried."

Brennan: Nay, was this your first time watching this movie?

Nay: Yes

Brennan: What was your reaction?

Nay: Well, actually I have a question.

Brennan: Oh, okay, okay

Nay: No one has to answer this question

Mark: I bet it's (indistinct) straight

Nay: But a question that came up while watching this, one of them, is, "If you were sexually assaulted in your apartment tonight, could you afford to move and take time off work?"

Michael: In the next day?

Nay: Yeah

Brennan: Absolutely not

Jeff: Yeah

Nay: Right. Very few people's answers are yes

Mark: Extremely true

Nay: Yeah, you know

Jeff: But in this movie--

Michael: What did (Talia Shire) do?

Jeff: I thought she was still working at the place with her husband

Michael: That's her ex-husband

Jeff: That's her ex-husband

Nay: Mmm-hmm

Mark: Who's a fuckin' asshole

Nay: Yes

Jeff: She was like, "I need movers." And then--

Michael: "Send some guys from work." What did she do?

Brennan: What is her job?!

Jeff: Wasn't it librarian?

Michael: In that amazing opening shot, what are they walking through? I wanna know

Jeff: I don't know. Yeah

Mark: Two things. No idea what the hell she does. I was just like, "She's a librarian in peril."

Michael: "She answers phones." Yeah

Mark: And then the second thing early on in the movie that the movie seemed to get right was that Emily was clearly terrified to disclose--

Nay: Mmm-hmm

Mark: Anything about her assault, even to her ex-husband

Nay: Mmm-hmm

Jeff: Mmm-hmm

Mark: And that's one of the only (chuckling) sort of true to life details that Windows has and then Windows is like, "Ahh, real life is so boring! Let's go in this direction!"

Jeff: I do take back a statement that I just said earlier, that Dressed to Kill and The Fan (1980) and all of that have more salacious stuff. The opening of Windows is one of the more sleazier things I've seen in cinema

Mark: Yeah. It's up there

Jeff: It's very like, kind of like, this is Ms. 45, I Spit on Your Grave (197X), kind of Maniac (198X) really kind of--

Mark: Yeah

Nay: Mmm-hmm

Jeff: Can you imagine the few audience members that went in 1980, who are sitting there in the theater--

Nay: UN-comfortable

Jeff: First five minutes of the film going, "There's Adrian from Rocky being…"

Michael: Looking exactly like Adrian from Rocky

Jeff: "Sexually assaulted with a knife at her throat, in her mouth," and I mean it's just a really piggish opening. And then the movie doesn't stay on that sleazy vibe, but you're kind of just like, "What?" I just… yeah

Mark: Well that's the weird thing. I wonder if the movie would have, the sourness of that extended scene, my God the length of it just goes on and on

Jeff: Yeah

Mark: Had that shock of being a man coming into her apartment and shutting the door and it goes black and then later, cutting to later, and only hearing, you know, secondhand, the tape

Jeff: The tape

Mark: Only having to experience the experience through Talia Shire, you know, just having to sort of move past it, or doing what she can to sort of exist, which is sort of i.e. sort of, "I gotta get out of this apartment." Like, I wonder if that could-- I don't think that anything could save Windows, per se, but I wonder if the experience of Windows might have become like, ten percent more palatable?

Michael: There's something interesting to think about: Was Windows directed by someone who was too technically good?

Jeff: So…

Michael: Like if you had a trash bag of a director? And like, a cinematographer? Like maybe the movie would've been veered into that just trash cornucopia we were hoping for?

Jeff: I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that in the film industry, and I can only gather this, that there were probably a lot of cooks in the kitchen on this with the script. I can tell that just from the behind the scenes of the interviews. Producers, we all know egos can get in the way and stuff, and perhaps Gordon Willis, the director, was--

Michael: Who never directed another movie

Jeff: Yeah. Who said, who was told one thing about the film and that changed later

Michael: Got it

Jeff: And then it became a thing of, "Well, mmm, you know, you've already direct--," people sign contracts, there's money involved, there's all those kind of things where, you know, it starts off with a script. I mean, we put out The Exorcist II just last year--

Nay: (sotto voce) Nice

Mark: Oh man, that movie

Jeff: And I remember Linda Blair famously telling us about the original script for that movie that was just so not what it ended up being at the end. But when you do start getting into the studios and producing and contracts and whatever, you know, it rolls down the path. That's my only… defense? I think for Gordon Willis

Mark: I read a quote of Gordon Willis, saying briefly, because it was like, it was very difficult to find him saying anything about Windows

Jeff: Did you actually find something? Wow

Michael: One thing I read (indistinct)

Mark: Basically all he said was, you know, he basically talked about how, you know, he realized he was much happier as a technician.

Jeff: Mmm-hmm

Mark: And he said, "Being a director means getting calls from actors at two in the morning saying, "I don't know who I am.' That's not for me. That's not for me."

Michael: I read that too

Jeff: Ahhh, that's--

Brennan: I don't know who I they are either

Mark: And I was just like-- and I read that and I was like, "Oof. Oh my God, imagine Elizabeth," I'm just assuming it's Elizabeth Ashley, it could be Talia Shire

Michael: Could be Shire. (as Talia Shire) "Gordon…"

Brennan: Could be a conference call

Mark: She didn't seem super down-to-earth, but Elizabeth Ashley, I love her. I saw her do Glass Menagerie once, holy fucking shit she was amazing.

Michael: Oh my God

Mark: But can you just imagine her calling you and being like, (as Elizabeth Ashley) "Who am I in this? Where am I?"

Jeff: Yeah

Nay: I can a little bit

Michael: In her Lauren Bacall baritone?

Mark: Oh, God, and those plunging necklines she wears

Brennan: Oh my God, freshman year me in college was so jealous of those necklines

Mark: I mean…

Nay: But you're not jealous anymore because you do wear those necklines?

Michael: 'Cause he owns them now

Brennan: Honestly, I wish I did. I grew out of most of those tiny tiny t-shirts so I need to upgrade

Nay: Yeah, let's get you some more!

Brennan: I will! I want it to happen, I just, it's just not happening right now

Nay: Okay

Brennan: I regret it

Brennan: Okay, Nay, so now that we have the floor…

Nay: Yeah

Brennan: You're watching Windows...

Nay: Uh-huh

Brennan: The credits are rolling...

Nay: Yeah

Brennan: It's the end of the movie. What are you feeling in that moment?

Nay: I was like, "Oh shit, let me rewind it 'coz I clearly missed something. 'Cause it's over?" Yeah. And I did that every single time the movie ended. And you know I always have to go through movies three or four times before I come here and I felt that through the very end

Brennan: I'm so sorry

Nay: No, I like doing it. I like doing that

Mark: God bless you, 'cause…

Nay: I think it's-- I find myself feeling, you know, the word I don't like, "blessed", when I do things that I want to do. It's like this is a work of mine, this podcast, right? And it's like, how cool to do that for work, you know?

Michael: Yeah!

Brennan: Yes!

Michael: Right?

Nay: But that's what I was feeling when it was over. I was like, "Oh." I literally would be like, "Back up." Because...

Michael: Like, "What happened?"

Nay: There's just no--

Jeff: They just rushed it

Michael: It just kind of ends

Nay: Yeah

Jeff: She's like, "She wouldn't have hurt me." "Yes, she would've." End

Nay: And the end!

Jeff: That's literally the dialogue! It's just like--

Michael: And like there's the--

Nay: Which works in a book

Jeff: Yeah, I know. Oh! By the way--

Mark: You know Jenny the cat was like, "I beg to differ!"

Nay: Jenny was like, "Rrrowr!" Okay?

Jeff: By the way, speaking of books, this was actually made as a paperback tie-in.

Mark: Ohhhh

Brennan: What?

Jeff: I have it. I found it one time in a store, I was like, "They did not make a novel of this."

Nay: Like eighty blank pages…

Jeff: Yes

Nay: In the middle

Jeff: But it literally has their faces, "Now a major motion picture!" And all the stars' names. I was like, "Oh, yeah!"

Nay: Oh my God

Michael: Oh my God, what if it said, "Now a minor motion picture"?

Brennan: What if it's one of those flip books but every frame is just the same picture of Talia Shire against the window?

Michael: I would rather look at that book than watch the movie

Jeff: Oh my God

Mark: You know, I was (stammers) bored. I mean, although gently entertained by the cinematography but also bored

Brennan: (laughing) "Gently entertained"

Jeff: (amused) "Gently", that's funny

Mark: I wanna talk about Jenny the cat

Michael: Okay

Mark: Because clearly to me, I was like--

Michael: Most fleshed-out character in the film

Mark: Everything about Windows in terms of how it deals with female sexuality, sexuality in general, any kind of relationship is incredibly ham-handed

Jeff: Mmm-hmm

Mark: And I was just like, "Jenny the cat is the smartest character in this movie."

Nay: Absolutely

Mark: Jenny the cat meets, what's Elizabeth Ashley's…

Michael: Andrea. Bites her

Mark: Andrea Glassen

Jeff: Right. Andrea Glassen

Mark: Andrea Glassen. And Jenny the cat's like, "No, bitch!"

Nay: Mmm-hmm!

Michael: The cat knew what's up

Mark: And (Jenny the cat) scratches her and I was like, "This is Talia's like, pussy of wisdom…"

Nay: Yes!

Mark: "Fighting back."

Brennan: Andrea can't touch her pussy

Mark: Yes

Nay: Yeah

Mark: "Don't come for me."

Michael: "Don't try to touch my pussy. It's gonna bite you."

Mark: Right

Jeff: That's very interesting. I never thought about that, that's really…

Nay: Yeah, Jenny's that bitch, huh?

Mark: Yeah! And I mean, what a way to go

Michael: Jenny the cat! I fucking love it

Mark: What a way to go, by the way. I gotta say, I'm not a fan of the trope of like, "kill the dog, kill the cat"

Michael: I don't like it in lesbian murder

Nay: Right

Mark: I hated it. However, however, if you are going to have a death scene in a movie, I've seen way less entertaining death scenes than (laughing) Jenny the cat got in Windows

Michael: And then falling out of the freezer?

Nay: The thud. Oh, that thud

Jeff: The falling out and thudding on the floor, like a Banquet frozen dinner!

Mark: Like a bag of frozen peas!

Brennan: Jenny straight-up saw the basilisk before she died

Mark: Yes!

Brennan: She is twisted into this funhouse mirror contorted

Michael: It's awful

Nay: That open mouth

Michael: Yeah

Mark: It's so awful

Michael: She saw the Ring

Mark: It's so awful that there's nothing to do but laugh

Jeff: Yeah. You really--

Michael: It really is! I mean she's literally sitting on peas

Jeff: It's a laughable moment that you're not supposed to laugh at, and that is part of like, at that point in the movie you're just like, "Oh my God."

Michael: And that movie needed about a hundred more instances of that

Nay: Mmm-hmm

Jeff: Yeah, it definitely did

Michael: You know what? Spin off Jenny the cat

Mark: Yep

Jeff: Yeah

Brennan: Give her her own cartoon show?

Michael: Yeah! Like, "Jenny the Fighting Pussy"

Nay: (annoyed) Mmkay

Mark: She's rooting out the bad gays from the good gays. There you go

Jeff: My laughs in that movie come at the end with Andrea attacking Emily--

Nay: Ohh

Jeff: (as Andrea) "No! I didn't tell him to hurt you!" (normal voice) I don't know what was coming over Elizabeth Ashley in doing this, but it becomes so hysterical and over-the-top, she's mimicking her--

Mark: She regresses?

Jeff: She regresses. That made me laugh the first time I saw it because the rest of the movie was so, like, sloggish that I was like, "Is this a big punchline on me? This is so ridiculous." And I remember laughing and going, "Wow. This is a performance that I've never quite seen like this." And the slap is silly. All of it is just like--

Mark: (amused) The slap

Michael: I just wrote, "Cool slap," exclamation point

Brennan: "Cool slap, bro"

Mark: The slap. I think in a better movie, the turn of her being like, "Don't hurt me..

"

Jeff: Yes!

Mark: It's interesting in theory, and that's about it. But, you know, that's-- oh! Can we talk about the fact that I just admire Andrea throwing up at her therapist's office?

Michael: Mmm-hmm

Mark: That is a power move

Nay: Mmm-hmm!

Michael: Never done that

Mark: Has anyone-- I mean like, to show up for your therapy appointment and to continuously leave the session to barf within earshot? That's how you know it's working

Nay: It's true

Mark: I'll tell you, that's--

Nay: I have, that-- mmm-hmmm

Jeff: It's interesting because again, like I said, obviously movies that came out after all these, you know, "bad gays" films, you know, they, Making Love came out two years later...

Mark: Ohh!

Jeff: To try to erase and sanitize and do, and then Basic Instinct came later and people were like, "Okay, you didn't learn your lesson," of course we would prove later. But you know, probably could have movies like Windows and The Fan (1980) and stuff a little bit more now because there has been a lot more gay characters in all sorts of forms of television shows and movies where they're just different content

Mark: I mean, people still bitch. They would

Jeff: But at the time, you didn't have such good role models or representations or it was just offensive, it was just so offensive

Michael: Well yeah! 'Cause it was essentially like, "Homosexuals are gonna kill you."

Jeff: Totally!

Mark: And they are, but we don't want straight people to know that

Jeff: (chuckling) Right!

Nay: Hello

Mark: You know? It's like, "God. Keep it like hush-hush! Jesus!"

Michael: Did you know this movie was nominated for five Razzies?

Brennan: Was it really?

Mark: Oh yeah, it was like the top ones

Jeff: Oh yes, it was

Brennan: But The Shining (1980) won, so they really know what's up

Mark: Like Silence of the Lambs won everything at the Oscars

Michael: Worst Picture, yeah

Mark: The Big Five

Jeff: And with Cruising and all of those

Michael: And The Shining (1980) won

Mark: Wait. What?!

Michael: Yeah

Brennan: Yep

Jeff: For 1980? For what? Worst Picture?

Michael: Worst Picture, yeah. I'm pretty sure it did

Jeff: No. Didn't Can't Stop the Music or something?

Michael: The Shining (1980) was for sure nominated for Worst Picture

Brennan: I'm pretty sure it won

Michael: Hence the Razzies have always been terrible

Brennan: Yeah

(Brennan plays a "brief clip of the lesbian ASMR dungeon" from the movie)

Brennan: When I was getting clips for this, I started to feel really sad for Andrea

Mark: Mmm-hmm

Nay: Okay

Brennan: 'Cause look, I know--

Michael: They're having a "B" in it?

Brennan: No, coz look--

Michael: Oh, the character?

Brennan: Look, these movies are obviously bad representations of any sort of queer lifestyle

Jeff: Yes

Brennan: But if you're applying like a reading that the movie totally doesn't deserve, in the sense that she has feelings that she has had to crush within her, and this is the way they're leaking out, in the worst way possible. I feel like I related to her in those moments in the way-- I remember Nay bringing up in our Sleepaway Camp episode, talking about how Angela was kind of responding to her forced identity and kind of clamming up and lashing out. And it's not good, and this is not an accurate representation of how this kind of thing goes, but I was just feeling it when I was getting those clips and I was wondering if anyone else feels like that has any validity

Jeff: You know what? I'm gonna say that you're… I agree

Brennan: (chuckling) "Dot-dot-dot"

Jeff: If I wanna take out all the comedic and everything like that, there is something about someone clearly fixated on somebody else, that person isn't returning that love, that's the story that goes on so many levels. And there is a, we've all been there. Not in a "killing Jenny the cat" type of thing, but you know--

Nay: Well…

Jeff: Oh! But there is a sadness that, here's Andrea, who seemed like she was rich, attractive…

Michael: She bought a place like it (indistinct)

Jeff: She had two places, whatever, but she was incredibly lonely, her object of affection wasn't returned--

Nay: Damn

Michael: It's straight people's fault anyway

Nay: Yeah. Anyways

Michael: They told her she was wrong, society told her she was wrong

Jeff: Yeah. There is an empathy that comes into play but then you go back into like, "But you hired a taxicab driver to…"

Brennan: No, she's not a good person!

Mark: Yeah

Jeff: But there is a…

Nay: Context. We love context. I'm like, "Okay."

Jeff: Yes. If you wanted to look at it on that level, it is sad, I mean--

Michael: (laughing) I still love Mark, "How did that car ride go?"

Mark: "You know, I've been thinking… Hi! Um…"

Michael: This article says, "How the hell did Andrea find a sicko for such a job? Did she look through the Yellow Pages?"

Mark: Right! "Dear Craigslist…"

Nay: Righf, there was no internet access

Michael: Was it Angie's List?

Mark: (chuckling) Angie's List

Nay: (softly) Angie's List

Brennan: Can we talk about how (Andrea's) telescope was the world's biggest strap-on?

Michael: Ohhhhh

Jeff: It's clearly a phallic symbol, like they made no bones about it. She's stroking it literally at one point watching Emily and it was like, "Okay."

Michael: It's fucking huge

Nay: Anything's a dildo if you're brave enough

Mark: (singing) Episode title!

Brennan: (as Andrea) "I want to see everything!"

Michael: (amused) "Dildo if you're brave enough."

Mark: I have a question. Have any of you guys stalked someone?

Jeff: No

Nay: Stalked?

Mark: I'm sure I used the word--

Michael: I'm sure I crossed the line, social media likely, you know?

Mark: So creeped

Brennan: Yes

Jeff: How 'bout fixated?

Michael: Or obsessed

Nay: Yes

Jeff: Fixated or fascinated?

Brennan: Okay

Jeff: I, you know…

Michael: Let me put it this way: I know I've had crushes in my past or gone on dates with guys where I was super into them and then like six months later I like, re-discover the communications and be like, "Oh my God, what were you thinking?"

Jeff: Mmmm, yes! Yes! Absolutely!

Michael: Yeah

Jeff: But there's been--

Michael: Never straight-up stalking though

Jeff: There's been like, I'm just, hey, I'll throw it out there. There's a guy that went to my gym recently, I don't know where it came from, it came out of the blue two months ago. I was like, "Whoa! Who is this guy?" And he always came in at the same time I did, and I was trying, "Are you straight, are you gay?" There's this whole sort of thing going on. I'm like, "Oh my God, why are you fixated on this guy?" And it was, y'know, a good-looking guy but not like--

Nay: It be like that sometimes

Jeff: I know! And I… worked out a little bit more, and worked out near him, just all this kind of stuff too, and we ended up nodding, smiling, talking or whatever and I learned that he took his kids to see Dumbo (2019) the other day and it was like, "Great. Well, we know what's happening there." But, yes. I think that it's natural to be attracted to somebody and--

Michael: Unhealthily attracted, is that a good way to put it?

Jeff: But like, there's a difference. I wasn't--

Michael: That situation

Jeff: Going, following him home or I wasn't like, you know, I wasn't…

Mark: I just wish someone--

Jeff: It made me work out at the gym a little bit more, and it was kind of nice to, you know, have some nice eye candy to motivate

Mark: Yeah

Jeff: And you move on. That's a healthy, y'know

Mark: I just wish someone had told Andrea, you know, "Have you tried bumping into her at Whole Foods?"

Nay: Sell her some organic cat food. Be like, "Hey, have you tried this?"

Mark: Yeah

Michael: "I notice Jenny comes to the store with you all the time."

Nay: Right. This would help her. You know, I feel like in my younger days--

Mark: Ask about her cat

Michael: Yeah

Mark: Yeah

Nay: There are many ways she could have gone about that, for sure

Mark: She really kind of leapt all the way to kind of "Option Z"

Nay: Yeah

Michael: She was her neighbor, right? So she knew her

Jeff: Yeah

Brennan: She's something. She existed

Michael: Or did she like, rent the closet (indistinct)

Jeff: But then she orchestrated that weird attack where the guy attacks her a second time through the door, so she's

Michael: So she could save her

Nay: Yeah! How much you have to pay someone to let--

Michael: Generally ruin your arm?

Nay: Let you like, bash the fuck out of it?

Jeff: Okay, stupidest scene in the film we haven't talked about is a scene where Talia Shire gets in to the cab, discovers that the cab driver is not a police person

Mark: And the cops tell her--

Michael: This is not police protocol

Mark: "You know what? Get back in the cab."

Jeff: And then she goes out,  calls the police and they tell her, "Get back in the car." I'm like, "No. Mm-mm. Are you kidding."

Michael: That's not police protocol

Nay: Bro. No.

Jeff: Can you believe that?

Nay: Yes.

Jeff: I mean--

Nay: They're like, "You're a woman. We don't care about you at all."

Jeff: (laughing) "At allllll!"

Nay: "Get back in the car."

Mark: And Talia's like, (as Talia Shire) "All right."

Nay: She, she does what she's told the whole movie, basically

Mark: Oh my God

Nay: She just does what she's told

Michael: Yeah, if Andrea had just approached her, said, "I can be your dom." She's like, "Okay."

Mark: Well, here's the thing. The one thing the movie got right early on was that (Emily) didn't want to discuss her assault, right? But then she moves into a new place where not only does she not put up curtains, she doesn't lock her door, she doesn't, you know what I mean? Listen, people respond to trauma in all kinds of different ways.

Michael: Correct

Mark: However, you know, but I was like, gosh! If this is this movie's idea of a meet cute, which is to be romanced by the supervising detective of your sexual assault case, I was like, I dunno if I really buy into this as like, I was like, I'm not sure if this feels okay even remotely. Talia Shire walks through this entire movie just sort of from scene to scene, seeming like she's realizing this was all a big mistake

Michael: I'm willing to bet when they made the movie they thought that the detective was an upstanding gentleman

Mark: Oh, completely!

Michael: That his character was like the classy, chivalrous guy, when he's just dirt

Jeff: Yeah

Mark: Yeah, and he's looking at her going, "She had a knife to her throat and she recorded the world's worst podcast…"

Michael: "You're an easy get."

Mark: You know, "I'm gonna take her for spaghetti." Like, what the fuck?

Michael: Yeah. (softly) "Spaghetti."

Nay: You know...

Jeff: "Spaghetti." I love it

Mark: It's so fucked!

Nay: You really can't look into why men do the things they do,  like, what makes them ask women out

Mark: Well I've tried!

Jeff: Yeah

Nay: You'll be like, "Really? Right now? That's when you're asking me out? Or that-- okay."

Michael: Yeah, "When you were pukin' in the roses."

Jeff: Right right right

Nay: Yes. All righty

Brennan: I have a very easy question

(Everyone else laughs)

Michael: Nay just wiped her mouth

Brennan: It was beautiful and disgusting and I loved every minute of it. It lasted for twelve minutes

Michael: Wait, what?

Nay: Wait, what?

Brennan: I made it up. I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm tired. Anyway! Please don't fire me!

Mark: (fey voice) Cut that

Jeff: I had to look up, of course, the Razzie winners for 1980

Michael: Oh yeah

Brennan: Oh yeah

Jeff: Worst Picture, what made me laugh is that Windows did not win, but Can't Stop the Music, which we are putting out in January did win, so

Mark: Oh my God

Michael: Who beat Talia Shire?

Jeff: Let's see… Worst Actor was Neil Diamond for The Jazz Singer (1980)

Brennan: Well…

Jeff: Worst Actress was Brooke Shields, The Blue Lagoon

Nay and Michael: (gasps)

Jeff: Worst Director was Robert Greenwall for Xanadu

Michael: Okay

Jeff: That's amazing

Mark: Wow, what a Golden age for bad movies

Michael: What about supporting actress, was that…?

Jeff: Supporting Actress was Amy Irving in Honeysuckle Rose. I never saw that one

Michael: And what was Worst Screenplay?

Jeff: Worst Screenplay was Can't Stop the Music

Mark: Yeah

Jeff: Boy, I am so excited we're putting that one out in June!

Mark: I mean, Can't Stop the Music is really the Hindenburg of musical movies

Michael: Oh my God

Jeff: You know what? I just watched it recently, because we're putting it out, and first of all, it looks fantastic on Blu-ray because it's just color and color and color and disco and just gayness all over the place

Mark: Insane

Jeff: And I just looked at this movie and I was like, "Ohhh boy. It's the gayest out of all the… Xanadu, The Apple, Skatetown U.S.A., Roller Boogie, it was like, yep this was the film that killed disco."

Jeff: Did we just end Windows on Can't Stop the Music? Though I feel like…

Brennan: How 'bout we end it on my favorite moment of exposition from the movie

Michael: Oh! Do tell

(Brennan plays a clip from the movie)

Steven: Listen Emily, I'm having difficulty with...

Emily: Steven, we're getting a divorce

Brennan: Thanks for letting me know, Talia Shire! I'm sure he wasn't aware

Nay: I mean, he acts like he's unaware

Brennan: True

Nay: It's like, "Do you remember that you ain't my man no more? Stop acting like you are."

Michael: God, this movie y'all

Jeff: I have to tell you of a newfound perspective on this movie because of this podcast completely. Just little things, there were a lot of things you guys said that I was like, "Oh my God, that is just too funny." I wish I had a--

Mark: Like Jenny the cat being the Seed of all female wisdom?

Jeff: Just, that was her pussy. An extension. Oh my God, that's so obvious!

Nay: Yeah, you wanna be cold wit' it? Got something for you!

Mark: Yeah, you know Andrea was like, "I'm gonna put that pussy on ice."

Brennan: Oh!

Mark: I'm sorry. Can we cut that?

Brennan: No!

Michael: Jenny. The cat

Jeff: Ohh my God, I hope the producer never hears this podcast. We all get a call…

Michael: I hope he does

Nay: He probably won't

Jeff: "You lied." I'll be like, "Hey, I promoted the movie. Uh…"

Brennan: Yeah, no, look. To smooth over your PR nightmare that is this episode...

Jeff: Nah, it's fine. It's totally fine. I take full responsibility

Brennan: I do wanna check out those interviews on that disc--

Nay: Oh yeah

Brennan: Because I really wanna know what's happening with this movie

Jeff: They're fascinating. They're lengthy, too. This isn't just like five minutes, "Oh, we did the movie," and we're done. It's like we really go into what the movie could have been, what the motivation was, they talk about the controversy. We made sure to ask the right questions on this

Brennan: The meaty stuff

Jeff: Yeah. Because if you're gonna have one shot to talk about this odd film that is an interesting footnote in LGBTQ history, you might as well ask. And they were open to do it. That, I applaud them for doing. Not everybody that we--

Mark: Did anyone was like, "Why did you do the movie?" They were like (southern accent) "I hate dykes! I hate 'em! Ahhh, I just hate 'em! No dykes! Rahhhhh!!"

Jeff: That's very funny

Mark: No?

Michael: No, that's not it

Mark: No? Okay

Jeff: I would say that when a movie is good and well-received, it's always easier to get talent to come to the table and talk about how good the movie was or their experience. When the movie is a misfire or it's misunderstood or it's a bomb or whatever, whenever we have the talent to come in and talk about those? I'm actually more fascinated on that level

Michael: Absolutely!

Nay: Oh yeah!

Mark: Yeah

Jeff: Because it's like, you have the, this is your chance to explain, for the record, have some posterity. There's something there and I actually give it up to the participants of not just Windows-- we've had some, look, I've had Pia Zadora and The Lonely Lady, so--

Mark: Ohhh, God! Oh, God! Immortal if only for the best award show scene ever--

Jeff: Oh yeah yeah yeah

Mark: She wins like, Best Screenplay, and she gets up there. She looks at everyone in the crowd and she goes, "I guess I'm not the only person in here who had to fuck their way to the top!" And then she says, "I don't want this Oscar!" And she ''leaves! It's fantastic!''

Jeff: And that movie swept the Razzies in 1983, in all categories

Mark: Goddamit, that is a movie

Michael: You okay, Nay? Toasty?

Nay: I don't know, I just, all of a sudden my face is like a thousand degrees

Mark: I'll just talk about Windows

(Everyone else laughs)

Michael: Jenny the cat!

Mark: Right

Brennan: I think that's probably a good cue to wrap up so we can go get some fresh air

Mark: We all better put our faces in the freezer

Michael: Along with kitties!

Mark: Mmm-hmm

Michael: We'll miss you, Mark!

Mark: Thank you! I'm gonna miss you guys, too. And I will pop in any time I possibly can, if you'll have me

Michael: Okay, yeah

Mark: Maybe you guys'll be like, "No, we're good."

Brennan: We'll tell you the wrong address

Michael: "We're recording at Blumhouse this week, but we're all here."

Mark: Yeah (laughs)

Michael: Brennan!

Brennan: Yes

Michael: Good lead!

Nay: Yeah

Brennan: Thank you

Mark: Nice work

Brennan: I usually handwrite all my notes, but I typed them out this time--

Michael: Ooooh!

Brennan: 'Cause I was like, "This is my first day at school and I wanna impress all of you."

Michael: A-plus!

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